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P0174 on Honda: How to Diagnose & Fix

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11 Honda models · 14 documented issues · 8 critical · $20-$8,000 repair

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  • 2006-2014Ridgeline1
  • 2007-2020Fit2
  • 2000-2009S20001
  • 2003-2011Element1
  • 2000-2006Insight1
  • 2010-2012Crosstour1
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P0174 by Honda model

  • 2017-2023CR-V1
  • 2005-2017Odyssey1
  • 2016-2022Pilot1
  • 2008-2025Accord2
  • 2016-2025Civic2
  • 2006-2014Ridgeline1
  • 2007-2020Fit2
  • 2000-2009S20001
  • 2003-2011Element1
  • 2000-2006Insight1
  • 2010-2012Crosstour1
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P0174 on Honda by model: symptoms, diagnosis and fix

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0171P0174P0420

Gasoline mixes with engine oil in the 1.5L turbocharged engine, causing the oil level to rise above the full mark. The issue is most prevalent in cold climates where short trips don't allow the engine to reach full operating temperature. Unburned fuel bypasses the piston rings and enters the crankcase, diluting the oil and reducing its lubricating properties.

Common Symptoms

  • Oil level reading above full mark on dipstick
  • Strong gasoline smell from engine oil
  • Check engine light illumination
  • Reduced engine power
  • Engine stalling
  • Poor fuel economy

How to Fix

Honda released a software update (PCM update) that raises engine operating temperatures faster and increases idle RPM in cold conditions. For 2017-2018 models, Honda also extended the powertrain warranty by one year. Owners should change oil more frequently (every 3,000-5,000 miles) in cold climates.

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  • Genuine Honda 15400-PLM-A02 engine oil filter
    OEMHonda 15400-PLM-A02

    Oil-filter consumable when an owner performs the shorter oil-change interval described by the repair guidance Fitment/availability: 2017-2023 U.S. CR-V 1.5T within this record; cataloged broadly for the CR-V and shown specifically for th…

Owner tips & cautions

  • WarningThis is a high-severity issue - ignoring it can lead to costly repairs or safety concerns. Address it promptly.
  • TipGet a proper diagnosis before replacing parts - similar symptoms can have different causes
  • TipSearch Honda CR-V forums and owner groups for real-world experiences and DIY guides
  • TipGet multiple quotes from independent mechanics - dealer prices can be 2-3x higher for the same repair
Typical repair cost:$0 - $500
Sources for this issue (3)
  • Class Action Honda Hid Engine Oil Dilution Defect Newer CR-V - ClassActionmedia
  • 2017 Honda CR-V High Oil Level With Gas In Oil - CarComplaintsmedia
  • Honda Oil Dilution Lawsuit Includes Accord Civic and CR-V - CarComplaintsmedia

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0420P0171P0174P0300P0304P0430

Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) deactivates 3 rear cylinders during light load, but insufficient pressure allows oil to bypass piston rings into combustion chamber. Causes excessive oil consumption (1 quart per 1,000 miles), fouled spark plugs, catalytic converter damage, and premature piston ring wear. Honda settled class-action lawsuit covering 1.6-1.87 million vehicles.

Common Symptoms

  • Excessive oil consumption (1 qt per 1,000 miles or more)
  • Engine misfire codes (P0300-P0304, typically cylinders 1-4)
  • Fouled/oil-soaked spark plugs
  • Rough idle and vibration
  • Check engine light (misfire and catalyst codes)
  • White smoke from exhaust on startup
  • Failed catalytic converters (P0420/P0430)

How to Fix

Install VCM disable device (VCMuzzler, VCMTuner) which prevents cylinder deactivation and stops oil consumption. Replace fouled spark plugs after installing disabler. Honda settled class-action providing 8-year warranty extension for engine misfire repairs. Severe cases may require piston ring replacement ($3,000-$5,000). 2014+ models received redesigned engine without VCM.

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  • Genuine Honda/NGK 9807B-5517W IZFR5K11 spark plug, each
    OEMHonda 9807B-5517W / NGK IZFR5K11

    Early-generation plug branch only after inspection identifies a fouled plug and exact catalog application Fitment/availability: 2005-2007 U.S. Honda Odyssey 3.5L applications in this issue; Honda catalogs 9807B-5517W across 2005-2010 but…

    Honda Parts Hub
  • Genuine Honda/NGK 12290-R70-A01 ILZKR7B11 spark plug, each
    OEMHonda 12290-R70-A01 / NGK ILZKR7B11

    VCM plug-fouling branch after code and plug inspection identifies replacement Fitment/availability: 2008-2010 U.S. Honda Odyssey EX-L/Touring with VCM; select 12290-R70-A01.

  • Genuine Honda/NGK 12290-R71-L01 DILZKR7A11G spark plug, each
    OEMHonda 12290-R71-L01 / NGK DILZKR7A11G

    Fourth-generation plug-fouling branch after P0301-P0304 and physical plug diagnosis Fitment/availability: 2011-2017 U.S. Honda Odyssey all trims; sold individually and six are required for a full set.

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Owner tips & cautions

  • TipCheck oil level every fuel fill-up on VCM-equipped models - carry a quart of oil in the van
  • WarningDon't ignore misfire codes - prolonged misfires destroy catalytic converters ($2,000+ repair)
Sources for this issue (2)
  • NHTSA Complaints for 2005 Honda Odyssey - Oil Consumption and Engine Issuesnhtsa
  • Reddit r/MechanicAdvice Thread Discussing VCM Oil Consumption on Honda Odysseyforum

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0420P0171P0174P0300P0306

Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) causes excessive oil consumption (1 quart every 1,000-1,500 miles), engine misfires, and fouled spark plugs. The reciprocating effect creates vacuum that pulls oil past piston rings. Leads to premature failure of spark plugs, catalytic converters, engine mounts, and cylinder walls. 2013 class action lawsuit identified 1.6 million affected vehicles.

Common Symptoms

  • Excessive oil consumption (1 qt per 1,000-1,500 miles)
  • Engine misfires (P0300-P0306 codes)
  • Fouled spark plugs
  • Rough idle or hesitation
  • Check engine light
  • Excessive engine vibration when VCM activates
  • Blue smoke from exhaust

How to Fix

Disable VCM using aftermarket devices: VCMuzzler II ($81), VCMTuner II ($150-200), or S-VCM Controller ($180-250). Check oil level every 500-1,000 miles and top off as needed. Use synthetic 0W-20 oil. Replace spark plugs every 30k-50k miles instead of 100k. Severe cases may need engine rebuild ($4,000-$8,000).

Owner tips & cautions

  • TipDisabling VCM reduces damage to engine mounts ($800) and minimizes transmission torque converter wear
  • TipCheck oil level every 500-1,000 miles and keep 2-3 quarts of oil in vehicle for top-offs
  • WarningDo not ignore excessive oil consumption - running engine low on oil can cause catastrophic engine failure
Sources for this issue (1)
  • NHTSA Complaint #11431529 - 2016 Honda Pilot excessive oil consumption/misfirenhtsa

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0420P0171P0174P0300P0306P0430

The 8th generation Accord V6 (3.5L J35Z2) with Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) deactivates 3 cylinders at highway speeds, causing excessive oil consumption (1 quart per 1,000-1,500 miles), misfires, and accelerated engine vibration that damages engine mounts. When VCM deactivates cylinders, insufficient ring pressure allows oil to bypass rings into combustion chamber. The class action lawsuit (Rodriguez v. American Honda, 2013) covered 1.87 million vehicles. Honda settled in 2016 providing extended warranty for engine repairs related to VCM-caused misfires and oil consumption. Many owners in the Drive Accord community disable VCM immediately upon purchase.

Common Symptoms

  • Oil level dropping 1-2 quarts between 3,000-5,000 mile oil changes
  • Engine misfires (P0300-P0306 codes)
  • Fouled spark plugs with carbon and oil deposits
  • Excessive vibration felt through steering wheel and seats
  • Check engine light with misfire and/or catalyst codes
  • Catalytic converter efficiency codes (P0420, P0430)
  • Blue smoke from exhaust at startup

How to Fix

Install VCM disabler device: VCMuzzler II (~$81, simplest install, no power wire), VCMTuner II ($150-200, more features), or S-VCM Controller ($180-250, automatic temperature adjustment). Check oil every 500-1,000 miles until VCM disabled. Replace fouled spark plugs with NGK DILKAR7B11 ($5-8 each) every 30,000-50,000 miles. Honda 2016 class action settlement may provide extended warranty for misfires/consumption - contact Honda with VIN. Severe cases (catalytic converters destroyed): $2,000-3,500 replacement.

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  • VCMuzzler II VCM suppression device
    OEMVCMuzzler II

    Optional owner-selected VCM suppression after understanding the device's operating tradeoffs Fitment/availability: 2008-2012 Accord V6 automatic only; vendor explicitly excludes manual-transmission Accord. Select model year, model and pi…

    VCMuzzler
  • S-VCM Controller
    OEMS-VCM Controller

    Confirm connector/application with vendor.

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Typical repair cost:$81 - $3,500
Sources for this issue (1)
  • NHTSA Campaign 24V763 - High-Pressure Fuel-Pump Crack and Leak Recallrecall

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0171P0174P0300P0301P0302P0303P0304

The 11th generation Accord 2.0T (K20C4 engine) inherited the direct-injection carbon buildup issue from the 10th gen. Without port injection to clean intake valves, carbon deposits accumulate on the intake valves and ports starting at 30,000-50,000 miles. The 2.0T engine is more susceptible than the 1.5T because it runs higher combustion temperatures. Additionally, the 11th gen Accord 2.0T reports an unusual idle vibration at cold start that owners describe as a "diesel-like" clatter lasting 2-5 seconds. Honda TSB 23-055 addresses this with an ECM calibration update that adjusts cold start timing.

Common Symptoms

  • Rough idle or stumbling at cold start
  • Diesel-like rattling or clatter for first few seconds of cold start
  • Hesitation or stumbling under light throttle application
  • Reduced fuel economy after 30,000+ miles
  • Occasional misfires on cold mornings (P0300-P0304)
  • Hard cold starts that require extended cranking

How to Fix

For cold start clatter: Visit Honda dealer for ECM calibration update per TSB 23-055 (free under warranty). For carbon buildup: Walnut blast cleaning every 40,000-60,000 miles ($300-500 independent shop). Use top-tier gasoline (Shell V-Power, Chevron, Costco Premium) which contains higher detergent additives. CRC GDI IVD Intake Valve Cleaner (#05319) spray treatment every 10,000 miles slows buildup. Oil catch can installation ($80-150) reduces PCV oil vapor contribution to carbon.

Typical repair cost:$0 - $500
Sources for this issue (1)
  • Honda/NHTSA Document 10169979 - Active Noise Cancellation Microphone Foam Noisetsb

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0171P0174P0300P0301P0302P0303P0304

The 1.5L turbocharged Earth Dreams direct-injection engine (L15B7) accumulates heavy carbon deposits on intake valves and ports because fuel is injected directly into the cylinder, bypassing the intake valves. Unlike port-injection engines, no fuel washes the intake valves clean. Owners report symptoms beginning at 40,000-60,000 miles. Carbon buildup restricts airflow, causing rough idle, misfires, reduced power, and reduced fuel economy. This is inherent to direct-injection technology and affects all 10th gen Civic 1.5T variants (LX through Si). Honda addressed this in 11th gen with port+direct injection (GDI).

Common Symptoms

  • Rough idle or stumbling at idle
  • Misfires on cold start (P0300-P0304)
  • Hesitation or stumbling during acceleration
  • Reduced power output compared to new
  • Decreased fuel economy (2-4 mpg reduction)
  • Hard cold starts
  • Occasional rough running that improves when warm

How to Fix

Walnut blasting (walnut shell media blast cleaning) of intake valves every 40,000-60,000 miles is the industry-standard solution: $300-500 at independent shops, $500-800 at dealers. Chemical intake cleaners (CRC GDI IVD Intake Valve Cleaner #05319, Liqui-Moly Valve Clean) used every 10,000 miles can slow buildup but do not fully remove existing deposits. Top-tier gasoline (Shell V-Power, Chevron Techron) contains detergent additives that help prevent buildup. Catch-can installation ($80-150) reduces oil vapor contributing to buildup.

What you need to fix it

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  • CRC GDI IVD Intake Valve & Turbo Cleaner 05319, 11 oz
    OEMCRC 05319

    Manufacturer-directed chemical cleaning option for diagnosed or suspected light-to-moderate GDI intake deposits Fitment/availability: 2016-2021 Civic 1.5T only after ruling out bulletin/software, injector, ignition, boost and mechanical …

    AutoZone

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Owner tips & cautions

  • TipCivicX.com consensus: Schedule walnut blast cleaning at 50,000 miles regardless of symptoms - visible buildup starts at 40k miles and only gets worse. Independent shops charge $300-400 vs dealer $600+
Typical repair cost:$300 - $800
Sources for this issue (3)
  • NHTSA Vehicle Complaints for 2016 Honda Civicnhtsa
  • Reddit r/MechanicAdvice thread discussing 1.5T Honda Civic carbon buildupforum
  • EricTheCarGuy - Honda Civic 1.5T Carbon Cleaning and Intake Valve Cleaningvideo

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0420P0171P0174

The 11th generation Civic (2022+) reports two prominent issues: (1) Excessive oil consumption on 1.5T engines consuming 0.5-1 quart per 1,000 miles, particularly in the first 10,000-20,000 miles before rings seat. Honda issued TSB 22-078 acknowledging consumption up to 1 quart per 3,000 miles as "within specification" but owners consistently report higher levels. (2) Honda Sensing phantom braking and false frontal collision warnings on the 2022+ system. NHTSA received over 600 complaints about unexpected autonomous emergency braking (AEB) activation on 2022-2024 Civics. NHTSA opened a preliminary investigation PE22-029.

Common Symptoms

  • Oil level dropping 0.5-1 quart between 3,000-5,000 mile oil changes
  • No visible oil leaks but consistent low oil level
  • Honda Sensing AEB activating without any obstacle
  • Sudden hard braking on open road or highway
  • FCW (Forward Collision Warning) alerts without cause
  • Lane keeping assist pulling wheel unexpectedly

How to Fix

For oil consumption: Monitor oil level every 1,000 miles and keep records with dates/mileage for warranty documentation. Honda requires documented consumption test (typically 1,000-mile monitoring period) to approve engine work. TSB 22-078 addresses ring seating with specific break-in oil change at 5,000 miles using Honda Genuine 0W-20. For phantom braking: Dealer can recalibrate Honda Sensing radar sensor (free under warranty, TSB references available). Persistent AEB issues may require radar sensor replacement ($200-400 under warranty). File NHTSA complaint at nhtsa.gov to support recall investigation.

Owner tips & cautions

  • TipCivicX.com 11th gen owners: Document EVERY oil check with date, mileage, and amount added - Honda requires formal consumption test documented over 1,000 miles to approve warranty engine work
  • TipFor phantom braking: Reference NHTSA investigation PE22-029 when requesting Honda Sensing recalibration at dealer - shows Honda the federal investigation and often results in free repairs beyond warranty
  • WarningPhantom braking at highway speeds is extremely dangerous - document all incidents with GPS location, time, weather conditions and file NHTSA complaint at nhtsa.gov; this is how recalls get initiated
Typical repair cost:$0 - $400
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  • NHTSA Vehicle Page for 2022 Honda Civic - includes complaints related to oil consumption and braking issuesnhtsa

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0420P0171P0174P0301P0300P0306

Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) deactivates 3 cylinders during light-load driving to improve fuel economy. When inactive cylinders reactivate, vacuum pulls oil past piston rings into the combustion chamber, causing excessive oil consumption (1 quart per 1,000-1,500 miles vs. normal 1 quart per 3,000-5,000). Oil burning causes spark plug fouling, misfires, rough idle, and accelerated catalytic converter wear. 2013 class action lawsuit identified 1.6 million affected Honda vehicles including 2006-2013 Ridgelines.

Common Symptoms

  • Excessive oil consumption (1 quart per 1,000-1,500 miles)
  • Engine misfire codes P0300-P0306
  • Fouled spark plugs with carbon buildup and wet deposits
  • Rough idle or hesitation
  • Check engine light illuminated
  • Blue or gray smoke from exhaust
  • Excessive engine vibration when VCM activates

How to Fix

Disable VCM using aftermarket devices: VCMuzzler II ($81), VCMTuner II ($150-$200), or S-VCM Controller ($180-$250). Check oil level every 500-1,000 miles until VCM disabled. Use synthetic 0W-20 oil. Replace spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles instead of 100,000. Severe engine damage may require rebuild ($4,000-$8,000).

Owner tips & cautions

  • TipMonitor oil level obsessively and keep 2-3 quarts in vehicle for top-offs between oil changes
  • WarningInstall VCM disabler as preventive measure, not reactive - engine damage from oil consumption is permanent and expensive
  • TipReplace spark plugs every 30k-50k miles instead of 100k - fouled plugs cause misfires that damage catalytic converters ($1,500-$3,500)
  • TipDisabling VCM also protects engine mounts and transmission from excessive wear and vibration
Typical repair cost:$81 - $8,000
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  • NHTSA Vehicle Complaints for 2006 Honda Ridgelinenhtsa
  • Honda Ridgeline VCM Oil Consumption Issues - HondaTalk Forum Threadforum
  • Honda Ridgeline VCM Oil Consumption Fix - EricTheCarGuyvideo

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0171P0174P052E

L15A (2007-2014) and L15B (2015-2020) engines prone to excessive oil consumption. Normal consumption approximately 1 quart per 1,000 miles, but some units burn significantly more. Honda acknowledged issue and extended warranty coverage for affected vehicles. PCV valve clogging and worn valve guide seals are common causes. Oil monitoring is MANDATORY - check every 500-1,000 miles. Some owners report consumption stabilizes after 50,000 miles.

Common Symptoms

  • Oil level dropping between oil changes
  • Burning oil smell from engine bay
  • Blue smoke from exhaust (may be slight)
  • Oil level warning light illuminated
  • Low oil pressure at idle

How to Fix

Check oil level every 500-1,000 miles religiously. Use Honda recommended 0W-20 synthetic oil exclusively (Mobil 1 0W-20 widely recommended on FitFreak, $35-45/quart). PCV system cleaning with Seafoam ($10-15) can help reduce consumption. Honda extended warranty coverage for vehicles consuming more than 1 quart per 1,000 miles - check VIN. If out of warranty and severe: engine rebuild ($2,000-3,000).

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  • Genuine Honda 17130-PND-A01 PCV valve
    OEMHonda 17130-PND-A01

    Low-cost PCV branch only when inspection or testing confirms restricted, stuck or damaged crankcase ventilation Fitment/availability: 2007-2013 and 2015-2020 U.S. Honda Fit, all cataloged trims and transmissions; confirm the separate sea…

    HondaPartsNow

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Owner tips & cautions

  • WarningOil monitoring is MANDATORY - check dipstick every 500-1,000 miles, never let oil drop more than 1 quart low
  • TipPerform regular PCV cleaning with Seafoam ($10-15) to prevent sludge buildup that worsens oil consumption
  • TipHonda extended warranty may cover excessive consumption - check VIN at dealer if burning over 1qt/1000mi
  • TipSome owners report oil consumption stabilizes after 50,000 miles - monitor closely during break-in period
Typical repair cost:$0 - $3,000

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0171P0174P0300P0301P0302P0303P0304

Rough or fluctuating idle, stalling at traffic lights, low idle RPM (below 500 RPM). Often related to carbon buildup in throttle body or PCV system problems. DIY throttle body cleaning resolves 80% of idle issues according to FitFreak forums. Seafoam fuel system cleaner ($12-15) poured into fuel tank is popular preventive maintenance. Gumout carburetor cleaner ($10-15) works well for intake valve cleaning.

Common Symptoms

  • Rough or fluctuating idle
  • Stalling at traffic lights or stop signs
  • Low idle RPM (below 500)
  • Multiple stalls in one drive cycle
  • Engine shakes at idle

How to Fix

Clean throttle body and intake valve carbon ($100-200 DIY with cleaner, $200-400 shop). Check and clean PCV system. Replace air filter if clogged. Fuel injector cleaning. Seafoam fuel system cleaner ($12-15) or Chevron Techron ($8-12) in fuel tank. Gumout carburetor cleaner ($10-15) for intake valves.

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  • Genuine Honda 17130-PND-A01 PCV valve
    OEMHonda 17130-PND-A01

    PCV branch only after inspection or testing confirms a stuck, clogged or damaged PCV valve Fitment/availability: 2009-2013 and 2015-2020 U.S.

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  • Genuine Honda 17220-RB0-000 engine air filter
    OEMHonda 17220-RB0-000

    Early-generation filter branch after inspection confirms restriction, damage or overdue maintenance Fitment/availability: 2009-2013 U.S.

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  • Genuine Honda 17220-5R0-008 engine air filter
    OEMHonda 17220-5R0-008

    Late-generation filter branch after inspection confirms restriction, damage or overdue maintenance Fitment/availability: 2015-2020 U.S.

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Owner tips & cautions

  • TipDIY throttle body cleaning resolves 80% of idle issues according to FitFreak - simple $15-50 fix in supplies
  • TipCheck and clean PCV system - helps with oil consumption AND idle issues for $10-20 in supplies
Typical repair cost:$20 - $400
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  • NHTSA Vehicle Complaints for 2009 Honda Fit - Includes Idle and Stalling Issuesnhtsa
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Link to this issueError Codes:P0171P0174P052E

High-revving F20C and F22C engines consume oil at higher rates than typical engines, especially in VTEC mode. Normal consumption is approximately 1 quart per 1,000 miles, but excessive consumption (more than 1qt/1000mi) indicates PCV valve clogging, worn valve guide seals, or cylinder wall scoring. Running oil levels 2+ quarts low prevents VTEC engagement. AP1 (2000-2003) more severe than AP2 (2004-2009). Many owners avoid Mobil 1 due to higher burn-off rates.

Common Symptoms

  • Oil level dropping quickly between services
  • Blue smoke on acceleration or in VTEC
  • Weak VTEC engagement or no VTEC kick
  • Fuel smell in oil (indicates PCV issue)
  • Check engine light for VTEC system

How to Fix

First: Check and replace PCV valve (~$50-150 parts, DIY friendly). If persists: Valve guide seal replacement requires engine opening (~$500-1,500). For severe cases: Full engine rebuild ($2,000-4,000). Use synthetic 0W-40 oil with high ZDDP (Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0W-40, Redline, or Motul recommended). Check oil weekly. Change oil every 5,000 miles for track use.

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  • Genuine Honda 17130-PV3-013 PCV valve assembly
    OEMHonda 17130-PV3-013

    early PCV replacement only when inspection/testing or scheduled maintenance confirms that branch Fitment/availability: 2000-2003 U.S.

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  • Genuine Honda 17130-PCX-003 PCV valve assembly
    OEMHonda 17130-PCX-003

    later PCV replacement only when inspection/testing or scheduled maintenance confirms that branch Fitment/availability: 2004-2009 U.S.

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Owner tips & cautions

  • WarningRegular oil monitoring is MANDATORY - check weekly for high-mileage cars, never let oil drop more than 1 quart low
  • TipChange oil every 5,000 miles for track use, 7,500 for normal street driving
  • TipReplace PCV valve first before expensive valve guide seal work - often solves the problem for $50-150
  • WarningRunning 2+ quarts low prevents VTEC engagement and can cause engine damage - top off immediately
Typical repair cost:$50 - $4,000
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  • NHTSA Vehicle Complaints for 2004 Honda S2000nhtsa
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Link to this issueError Codes:P0420P0171P0174

K24A engine develops abnormal oil consumption after 100k-150k miles. Stuck oil control rings from infrequent changes or wrong viscosity oil. Mobil 1 synthetic 5W-20 is Element Owners Club community standard. Change oil every 5,000 miles (not 7,500) to prevent consumption. Avoid cheap/wrong viscosity oil. Element owners consistently report longevity when using quality oil. No permanent fix for late-stage consumption - keep oil topped off.

Common Symptoms

  • Oil level drops between oil changes
  • Blue smoke from exhaust
  • Need for frequent oil top-ups
  • Low oil warning light
  • Oil consumption increases after 100k miles

How to Fix

Switch to full synthetic Mobil 1 5W-20 (community standard). Change oil every 5,000 miles (not 7,500). Use high-quality oil only (Mobil 1, Honda HG, Pennzoil). Monitor and top off between changes. No permanent fix for late-stage consumption - keep oil topped off and change regularly.

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  • Genuine Honda 17130-PND-A01 PCV valve
    OEMHonda 17130-PND-A01

    PCV branch only after inspection/testing finds a restricted, stuck or damaged valve contributing to oil use Fitment/availability: 2003-2011 U.S. Honda Element 2.4L, all cataloged trims/transmissions.

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  • Mobil 1 High Mileage full-synthetic 5W-20 motor oil, 5 qt
    OEMMobil 1 High Mileage 5W-20 5 qt

    Confirm the container carries the current API certification

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Owner tips & cautions

  • TipChange oil every 5,000 miles (not 7,500) to prevent oil consumption from developing
  • WarningAvoid cheap or wrong viscosity oil at any cost - causes stuck oil control rings and consumption
  • TipElement owners consistently report 200k+ miles when using quality synthetic oil and regular changes
  • TipNo permanent fix for late-stage oil consumption - monitor oil level weekly and keep topped off
Typical repair cost:$0 - $0
Sources for this issue (3)
  • NHTSA Complaints for 2003 Honda Elementnhtsa
  • Element Owners Club - Oil Consumption on K24A Engine Discussionforum
  • EricTheCarGuy - Diagnosing and Fixing Oil Consumption on Honda K24 Enginesvideo

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High Confidence145 owner reportsLast reported by owners Feb 2024Reviewed Feb 2026
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Link to this issueError Codes:P0171P0174P0300P0301P0302P0303P0304P0401

The 2000-2006 Honda Insight first generation with lean-burn engine experiences clogged EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) systems. The EGR valve and passages get clogged with carbon buildup, causing rough idle, hesitation, poor fuel economy, and check engine lights (P0401 code). The lean-burn operation creates excessive carbon. Cleaning EGR system: $150-400. Replacement: $300-600.

Common Symptoms

  • Rough idle or stalling
  • Hesitation during acceleration
  • Poor fuel economy (MPG drops)
  • Check engine light with P0401 code
  • Engine runs rough in lean burn mode
  • Loss of power

How to Fix

Clean EGR valve and passages with carburetor cleaner or seafoam ($20-50 DIY, $150-400 shop). For severe cases, replace EGR valve ($300-600). DIY cleaning: Remove EGR valve, soak in carb cleaner overnight, clean passages with wire brush. InsightCentral recommends cleaning every 60k-80k miles preventively. Causes catalytic converter failure if ignored.

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  • Genuine Honda 18715-PB2-000 EGR valve gasket
    OEMHonda 18715-PB2-000

    Confirm VIN and current service procedure before disassembly.

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Owner tips & cautions

  • TipDIY EGR cleaning: Remove valve (2 bolts), soak in carb cleaner overnight, scrub with wire brush. Takes 1 hour, saves $200-300.
  • WarningClogged EGR overheats catalytic converter and kills it - clean EGR every 60k miles to avoid $1,500 cat replacement.
Typical repair cost:$20 - $600

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Link to this issueError Codes:P0420P0171P0174P0300P0301

The 2010-2012 Honda Crosstour with J35Z2 V6 engine and VCM (Variable Cylinder Management) experiences severe oil consumption, often consuming 1 quart every 1,000-1,500 miles. The VCM system deactivates cylinders for fuel economy, but this causes improper ring oiling, damaging piston rings and cylinder walls. Symptoms include excessive oil consumption, misfires, fouled spark plugs, and engine damage. The 2013+ Crosstour uses the J35Y1 engine which fixed VCM issues. Solutions: VCM Muzzler ($170) to disable VCM, or frequent oil top-offs. Engine rebuild/replacement: $4,000-8,000.

Common Symptoms

  • Excessive oil consumption (1qt per 1,000-1,500 miles)
  • Low oil warning light
  • Engine misfires (especially cylinders 1, 4, 6)
  • Fouled spark plugs
  • Rough idle when VCM active
  • Check engine light with misfire codes
  • Blue smoke from exhaust (burning oil)

How to Fix

Prevention (before damage): Install VCM Muzzler II ($170-200) to disable VCM system - CrosstourOwnersClub.com members report oil consumption drops to normal levels. Monitor oil level weekly and top off as needed. Severe damage: Engine rebuild ($4,000-6,000) or replacement ($6,000-8,000). Honda may cover under goodwill if under 100k miles - document all oil consumption and dealer visits. Switch to 0W-20 or 5W-30 synthetic oil - some owners report reduced consumption.

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  • S-VCM Controller for Honda 3.5L SOHC VCM engines
    OEMS-VCM Controller standard model

    Optional aftermarket VCM-disable mitigation after warranty/product-history review and engine diagnosis Fitment/availability: 2010-2012 U.S.

Owner tips & cautions

  • WarningCRITICAL: Check oil level EVERY WEEK - running low on oil will destroy engine ($6k+ replacement). Low oil light means you're already dangerously low.
  • TipDocument EVERYTHING - every quart of oil added, dealer visits, complaints. Honda may offer goodwill engine replacement if you have documentation.
  • Tip2013+ Crosstour has J35Y1 engine without VCM oil consumption issues - if buying used, get 2013 or newer to avoid this problem.
Typical repair cost:$170 - $8,000

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P0174 code reference

General diagnostic-code context. The code alone does not confirm a cause for your vehicle; use the applicable issue card and its sources.

Frequently asked questions

What does P0174 mean on a Honda?

P0174 stands for "System Too Lean (Bank 2)." P0174 means the engine computer detected that the air-fuel mixture on Bank 2 (the side of the engine with cylinder 2) is running too lean — too much air relative to fuel. The computer monitors this through the oxygen/air-fuel sensors and fuel trims; when it has to add a large amount of extra fuel to compensate and still can't reach the target, it flags the mixture as too lean. A lean condition can cause rough idle, hesitation, or misfires, and over time can raise combustion temperatures. Because it's Bank 2 specific, an unmetered air leak on that bank or a fuel delivery shortfall is typical. On Honda it is documented across 11 models: CR-V, Odyssey, Pilot, Accord, Civic, Ridgeline, Fit, S2000, Element, Insight, Crosstour.

What are the most common causes of P0174?

The most common causes of P0174 are: Vacuum or intake air leak (hoses, gaskets, PCV), Dirty or failing mass airflow (MAF) sensor, Weak fuel pump or restricted fuel filter (low fuel pressure), Clogged or underperforming fuel injectors, Leaking intake manifold or throttle body gasket, Faulty or contaminated oxygen / air-fuel sensor, Exhaust leak upstream of the oxygen sensor, Stuck-open EGR valve. The specific cause varies by vehicle.

How much does it cost to fix P0174 on a Honda?

Published repair estimates on Honda range from $20 to $8,000 depending on the model and root cause. If an issue mentions a recall or campaign, check your VIN with the manufacturer or NHTSA and confirm eligibility and coverage with a dealer.

Related codes

  • P0171 · System Too Lean (Bank 1)
  • P0172 · System Too Rich (Bank 1)
  • P0175 · System Too Rich (Bank 2)
  • P017B · Cylinder Head Temperature Sensor - Implausible Signal
  • P0087 · Fuel Rail/System Pressure - Too Low
  • P0088 · Fuel Rail/System Pressure - Too High
  • P0130 · O2 Sensor Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1, Sensor 1)
  • P0131 · O2 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Bank 1, Sensor 1)

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